Finally, thanks to the following people for all thier info, helpful files and valueable time: Shylander (if anyone knows a new web address for Shylander let me know.) Freqhog http://www.garryharman.com/theownagebishes/ Dafoosa http://codenameeagle.blogspot.com/ And of course the mighty Rex3d http://bf2ce.rex3d.net/ See you all around the bend.